The End Time

**Shooter** · June 20th, 2008, 06:20 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ut1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"It says right there they will be bound and burned. Sounds like they are goin to hell to me. Because tribulation is over, time to burn the wicked."
Agreed, as no one will be saved after the Tribulation. I've never argued that there would be.

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No you didnt argue that...you argued that the parable was not tribulation at all, but a seperating of saved from lost BEFORE tribulation. I read the parable as it reads.."let them grow together until the harvest...and FIRST bind the tares". Where in there does it allow for a "rapture". Absolutely nowhere.

Heres something else to ponder...
"Matthew 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched and would not have suffered his house to be broken up."

Ok, that to me says, If i was a Christian, and taught my family to be Christians...then when the Lord comes back...he will NOT BREAK UP MY HOUSE. But if I am not a christian, then hes gonna take me out, bind me up, send me on my way, and BREAK UP MY HOUSE. Because He is coming back to bind up the damned FIRST.

Like I said before, I'm not trying to change what you believe. It really doesnt matter either way as long as you believe in the Lord, you will be shown the right path. I'm simply trying to state what I believe about the path of the end times. If im wrong, so be it, I'll get a free ticket out of the mess that is gonna happen. If I'm right, I'll be prepared to not fall for the antichrist when he proclaims to be Jesus returned.

**imported_ut1** · June 20th, 2008, 09:37 PM

Jesus shall return to the earth to gather His Bride, the Church, but He will not set foot on earth at that time. "17 then we that are alive, that are left, shall together with them be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
1 Thess 4:17 (ASV). That is His first coming, and that is what He's talking about in the parables you have mentioned, His first coming. After the Tribulation, He will return to the earth physically
As you say, what is most important is that we believe that He is Who He proclaims to be, the Messiah, the Son of the Living God, Savior of the world. It is not enough to just believe that, as He commanded us in Matthew to be His evangelists, to spread His Word to the world, and that certainly includes His warning to be ready. That is essentially what this thread started out as, a reminder to all that He is coming...maybe not tonight, or tomorrow, but He is certainly coming.

**Shooter** · June 21st, 2008, 09:09 AM

Well, ut1, I want to thank you for the discussion on this topic. It's been interesting, and I think I will stop on this one now, and agree to disagree. As I said before, I wasnt trying to change anyone's belief, I just enjoy discussing certain topics especially the ones like this, that I have a different read on because it gives me things to think about.

Im sure I'll have a new topic soon if you are up for another go around, lol. Theres alot of things I would like to pick your brain on, because its obvious you are a well read in the Bible.

**imported_ut1** · June 21st, 2008, 10:14 PM

Well read, well studied, but far from scratching the surface of the Truths God has for me in His Word each day. I just know what I believe, and am more than willing to share why I believe as I do. My background in the Word is diverse, in that I have attended many different denominational churches (even Catholic), and heard the Word preached anywhere from Pentacostal to Primitive Baptist doctrines. My beliefs are my own, and probably line up more with the "Baptist Faith and Message" than anything else. It's been a pleasure discussing with you, and I am SO relieved that you weren't Pac-man! [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif[/img]

**CoeburnCane** · June 22nd, 2008, 02:34 PM

I don't think that dude will be back, though I'm always (along with other mods/admins) keeping an eye out for suspicious dudes that may be him that sign up.

Just enjoy the discussion and if someone takes it too far...we'll all know, and it'll be taken care of. Threads like this (sans the Pac-Man deal) are what this Religion forum was made for anyways.

**neutral88** · June 27th, 2008, 10:33 AM

Cane is right, these threads help us all to understand more about religion...There is nothing wrong with a peaceful debeat like you guys have had, for the rest of us, it is actually the easiest way to sort through the BS, because if one of you is 100% wrong, the other will call you out on it...Sounds crazy, but works well as a teaching method

**Shooter** · June 27th, 2008, 04:43 PM

Exactly nothing wrong with a little biblical debate. Although, I havent changed my mind on this particular subject, I might come to find things in other subjects that one might change my mind on. There are plenty of things in the Bible that I read differently than the normal teachings.

**imported_ut1** · June 27th, 2008, 09:00 PM

I'm of the same persuasion, as I don't easily change my mind about Bible teachings. One thing I always keep in the back of my mind, though, is that it was commonly held that Isaiah was a book of history, not prophesy, until ancient scrolls were discovered proving that it was written 700 years before Jesus was born. Just because something is commonly accepted doesn't mean its always right!

**Shooter** · June 27th, 2008, 09:16 PM

You and I would have a good Bible study ut1. I'm trying at the moment to figure out which subject I wanna go for next. Im thinking since we have been discussing End Times, I might go all the way back to the beginning for the next one.

**imported_ut1** · June 29th, 2008, 12:38 AM

My favorite historical figure in the Bible is Joseph, son of Jacob. To me, he is the epitime of inner strength and intestinal fortitude. For all the bad things that happened to him, not once is it mentioned that he turned his back on God, gave up his faith, or even sinned! As are other figures in the Old Testament he is a type of Christ, or forshadowing of the Messiah to come, and for that particular moment in time, he was the savior of his people. Maybe our discussion could turn to prominent Biblical figures, and how they fit into the spiritual education of a Christian.